Episode Description

In this episode, we dive into the Five Stages from Betrayal to Breakthrough, with a particular focus on Stage Two. Dr. Debi discusses the physical, mental, and emotional experiences at each stage and offers insights into how to navigate through them. Drawing from real-life personas, the episode aims to help listeners recognize their own experiences and feel less alone in their journey.

Key Points Covered

  • Introduction to the Five Stages
    • Overview of The Five Stages from Betrayal to Breakthrough.
    • Explanation of how the stages impact individuals physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.
    • The importance of moving through each stage to reach healing.
  • Focus on Stage Two – Shock and Disorientation
    • Description of Stage Two as a state of being blindsided and feeling like your world has been turned upside down.
    • The psychological impact, described as a “psychological earthquake,” where life is divided into before and after the betrayal.
  • Personas of Stage Two
    • Julian (Shock and Disorientation): Frozen in time, grappling with the reality of betrayal.
    • Leila (Exhaustion): Struggling with extreme fatigue and feeling like every task is monumental.
    • Kevin (Overwhelmed): Overcome by emotions and the chaos of daily life.
    • Sue (Mental Turmoil): Experiencing brain fog and inability to think clearly.
    • Nathan (Restlessness and Insomnia): Unable to sleep, plagued by intrusive thoughts.
    • Jessica (Concentration Issues): Struggling with focus and cognitive clarity.
    • Diane (Battle on All Fronts): Dealing with physical, mental, and emotional distress simultaneously.
    • Jenna (Losing Ground): Feeling like life is unraveling and clinging to routines.
    • Mike (Survival in Question): Questioning survival and the future amidst piercing pain.
    • Carla (Doubt and Despair): Doubting the authenticity of past relationships and struggling with trust.
  • Impact of Betrayal on Physical and Mental Health
    • Discussion on how chronic stress from betrayal affects the body, leading to issues like digestive problems and physical pain.
    • The role of cortisol in stress response and its long-term impact.
  • Moving Through Stage Two
    • Importance of recognizing you’re not alone or crazy in these feelings.
    • Encouragement to move from Stage Two to Stage Three (Survival Instincts Emerge) and beyond.
    • The promise of a healthier, stronger, and more confident version of oneself in Stages Four and Five.
  • Advice and Encouragement
    • Personal anecdotes and stories from the host’s experience and study participants.
    • Emphasis on the importance of not getting stuck in any stage, especially Stage Three.
    • Final words of hope and encouragement for listeners to keep moving forward in their healing journey.


The episode aims to provide comfort and validation to those going through betrayal, reassuring them that their feelings are normal and that there is a path to healing. Listeners are encouraged to seek help and continue progressing through the stages to reach a place of strength and confidence.

Call to Action

  • Listeners are invited to join The PBT Institute for support and guidance through the stages of betrayal.
  • Encouraged to take the Post Betrayal Syndrome Quiz to understand the extent of their struggles.

Next Episode Teaser

Stay tuned for the next episode where we will discuss Stage Three and how survival instincts emerge after the initial shock of betrayal.



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We hope this episode provided valuable insights and support. Remember, you’re not alone, and there is a path to healing and breakthrough. See you next time!

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