December 25



Betrayal is a deeply traumatic experience that can have profound effects on the body’s physiological balance. It triggers the body’s stress response system, and when this system is constantly activated due to betrayal, it can have detrimental effects on our overall well-being.

In this riveting episode, Dr. Debi embarks on an enlightening conversation with Dr. Jorina Elbers, the visionary Program Director of the Trauma Recovery Project at the HeartMath Institute. Together, they unravel the intricate tapestry of HeartMath—a groundbreaking approach to healing from betrayal and trauma.

Join us as Dr. Jorina, a distinguished Pediatric Neurologist, unveils the profound neurological implications of chronic stress and trauma. Discover how HeartMath’s heart-centered programs serve as a transformative beacon, alleviating the burdens of trauma and other stress-induced conditions. In this intimate conversation, we dissect the intricate interplay between stress and our physical well-being, exploring how HeartMath can recalibrate the delicate balance of our hearts and nervous systems.

A pinnacle moment in our exchange unfolds as Dr. Jorina illuminates the potency of regenerative emotions. These emotions, she reveals, possess the remarkable ability to reshape our physiology. Tune in as she imparts a simple yet powerful technique—an invaluable tool applicable in diverse scenarios, from enhancing relationships to elevating overall well-being.

For those intrigued by the profound potential of HeartMath in supporting the journey to healing, this episode is a must-listen. Dr. Jorina’s generosity in sharing her expertise unveils a path to recovery that will undoubtedly resonate with many who have weathered the storm of betrayal.

Join us in gratitude as we delve into the heart of healing, guided by the wisdom of Dr. Jorina Elbers. This episode promises to be a source of inspiration and solace for those navigating the complex terrain of recovery.


Key Takeaways:

[00:03:10] Effects of stress on the body.

[00:03:24] The physiological effects of stress.

[00:06:08] Dysregulation in the body.

[00:11:33] Depletion and post-betrayal syndrome.

[00:15:50] Heart rate variability and coherence.

[00:15:55] Train for heart rhythm coherence. 

[00:19:23] Trust and regulation in healing.

[00:21:52] The power of the heart.

[00:26:52] Physical heart pain during betrayal.

[00:30:28] Heart coherence and regenerative emotions.

[00:35:14] Trust and nervous system regulation.


Memorable Quotes

“We’re also learning about inflammatory markers. So, it’s affecting our inflammation. It’s affecting our ability to fight infections, so we get sick more easily. So actually, the research is very clear. That stress is affecting our body, not just our mind.” – Dr. Jorina Elbers

“I kind of imagine emotions to be like that. Initially, it’s a light, a form of light. And then it gets so dense because it’s not released. And it creates a density, a physical manifestation inside the body that then gets suppressed even more. And it creates a physical problem.” – Dr. Jorina Elbers

Links Mentioned In This Episode

Website: thepbtinstitute.com

Where To Find Our Guest


Website: heartmath.org

 Website: heartmath.com

Instagram: @heartmathinstitute


Sign-up for the HeartMath Experience: heartmath.org/training/heartmath-experience

About the author 

Gabriela Besel

Client Care Specialist

Gabriela is the front line of it all. She welcomes all new members into the community, gets them onboarded and continues to support them throughout their time spent with PBT.

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